I usually try to avoid the debates on the USP, I have found that trying to speak to most of their spokesmen is like talking to a wall..

There are several words to describe some of their spokesmen.. arrogant and filled with un-truths are the two I have come to find are the best used to describe many...

Early last week I received copies from several folks of an E-mail one USP supporter wrote complaining that the USP was not invited to the National Hunting and Fishing days celebration...

I wrote to that person stating that I could understand that considering the law suits issue why would he or they be expecting to be invited to participate ??

well to make a long story shorter...

I received a reply back to my E-mail and then was flooded with E-mails from USP supporters that I have no idea who they are...

All filled with three basic things.. and remember these folks do not know me either...

1.. personal attacks on me or my knowledge of deer or deer hunting....
INSULTS

2... attacks on the PGC and the PFSC and leaders of those organizations..
MORE INSULTS AND NON-FACTS ABOUT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS

3... most of the usual "facts" about why the deer plan has to change...
ENTIRELY BASED ON MIS-INFORMATION AND THING TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT...

I did become aware of just what "good" can come from writing just one person.. I also recived several E-mails thanking me for my support of the PGC and the PFSC and even one that stated that one of the PGC commissioners was aware of some of the communications I was having with folks from the USP...

Over the next few entries I'll share SOME of those E-mails...

BUT I WILL "XXXXX" out any names invoved....

Here is the E-mail I got 3 copies of from 3 people and my reply to the writer that started the whole week's worth of E-mail communications ----

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Dear XXXXXXXX and XXXXXXXXX,   Once again this year the Unified Sportsmen of PA was not invited to attend this national event.  Last year Bruce Smith blamed Joe Neville and Joe Neville blamed Bruce Smith for not inviting Unified to set up a booth in the Capital.  Obviously, at this point you realize your pettiness and unprofessionalism has reached the all-time low of horse-manure operation.  Frankly, the PGC should be ashamed of itself for not including Unified in this endeavor to celebrate and protect our grand traditions.  One can only surmise the PGC would prefer to spend its time in litigation than attempt to build a speaking, working relationship with Unified. Your thinking and behavior in this matter is literally appalling.  Apparently, it is time to revisit the leadership issue within the PGC. Sincerely, XXXXXXXXXXXXX

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HERE IS MY E-MAIL REPLY -----
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XXXXXXX... This morning I received your E-mail that you sent to many in Harrisburg about National Hunting and Fishing Days.. In fact, I received three of them one from a local state representative and two from others... Are you trying to say that if you were hosting an event you WOULD invite folks from an organization that has tried and FAILED once to sue you... and is currently making yet another (SURE TO BE) failed attempt ?????? I find it hard to believe that ANYONE would do such a thing.... The E-mail will provide laughs at our local sportsman's club meeting though.... TIL LATER.. Dave Stotler "Dr. Trout" Warsaw Sportsman's Club PFSC Delegate

Here is his reply to my E-mail to him...
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Dave, It is sad that you would find humorin such a sad state of affairs. Apparently, you and your club do not have a clue what is happening in Harrisburg and with our deer program. Tell the boys up the ladder that sent you my email and prompted you to contact me that they ain't seen nothin' yet. I can see the possibility of three more lawsuits in the immediate future. Furthermore, participation in this event has nothing to do with our differences in deer management. USP is a relentless supporter of our hunting and fishing rights and should be invited to participate regardless of their differences with the PGC. You think small. This event is for all in the dialog and debate regardless of their opinion. Sincerely, XXXXXXXXX PS: Tell your boys if they want to learn something about deer management and the politics thereof, they should have me in to speak. My guess is that few of you have the courage to hear the truth.

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Then my E-mail light started going off with replies from USP folks that I have no idea who they are...

I'll share them tommorrow...


stay tuned
Doc  

--Last edited by Dr Trout on 2007-09-17 18:57:24 --

I'm gonna offer a thought to put all of this back to a simmer, if possible.
I'll post a new thread under; "An Invitation to the USP."

I am not so sure "simmer" is a word these folks understand.... and working with them (IMHO) would be near to impossible...


I think sharing these 3 recent E-mails will support that opinion...

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Dave whats wrong with everyone participating in NATIONAL hunting and fishing days.it does not say state hunting and fishing days and the pa game commission is a state organization. also i am a past president of a county chapter of pa federation of sportsman clubs and resigned when your executive director melody zullinger told me she had more people to worry about than JUST the sportsman.in my book the sportsman and the wildlife resource take precedent over the audobon society, pa grange, and the other groups involved in your organization. jim slinsky does a lot of research as you should do before you blame anyone.you are not the spokesman for the pa game commission and neither is melody zullinger. For your info jerry feaser is the spokesperson for the pa game commission and you should let him do his job. Do you know the black bear and the so called eastern coyote have spread all over the state and predation by these predators on the whitetail deer fawns have taken a heavy toll. When you go hunting do you not notice the absence of fawns in the fall. Can you remember when you were only allowed one buck and could only kill a doe if you did not kill a buck. our county had 49,000 doe licenses issued in one part of our county and we dont have that many deer in the whole county. Did you not see carl rove under sworn testimony before the house fish and game committee when asked how many deer in the state of pa he replied we dont know we only estimate.Carl how many deer in each county again he said  we dont know we only estimate. This lawsuit is because the doe tag has become a fund raiser instead of a management tool. Do you know acid rain causes more damage to our forests than deer and during a meeting in bradford,pa the forestry people who were hosting the meeting admitted they have a soil problem in pa but it is easier to kill the deer than correct the soil problem. Do you know the money from your doe license and regular license a small portion of this revenue was to be used to plant food and cover but was used to build fences to keep deer out.please do some honest research about what is going on and youll probably file a lawsuit yourself. In closing you have the pa fish commission and the pa game commission and you have the pa house fish and game committee and the pa senate fish and game committee who took a oath to protect all the resources of pa including the wildlife and was formed to oversee everything the pa game commission does. Not to micro-manage as your people have been saying but please look up in websters dictionary what oversight means or to oversee what someone does. The pa game commission has been putting out false rhetoric that they are interfering and beleive me they are just doing their job.i am still a member of pa federation because the seven clubs i belong to   some of them still belong but i belong to unified sportsman also and support the move to stop the doe slaughter. Do we kill off all the wildlife just because no one wants to improve the soil and use proper timber reforestation and reclamation after removing the timber because it cost them some of their profits.once they remove the white oak,beech nut trees, which all wild life feeds on what do the deer,turkey, and bear eat. well doc i hope you look at the problem with an open mind and do a lot of research. i have hunted my county for 52 years and i ride all over the county this time of year and no more do i see the deer out in the fields like i used to years ago. i hope you have private land to hunt on as the pgc game land has only a few deer left. XXXXXXX

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dave good luck to you this season i will not kill another deer till things are better and the herd increases statewide and if we give the black bear and the coyote a few more years they will kill most of the fawns as they are out there 24-7. unified sportsman is entitled to file a lawsuit if they feel the whitetail deer is in danger of overharvest by the selling of too many doe licenses to raise money. if the pa game commission can prove the opposite that the deer are plentiful statewide then so be it. again you are right we both are entitled to our opinions and probably not agree on very much but i dont take the pa game commissions side over the sportsman as the sportsman and the wildlife resource will always come first..again good luck to you XXXXXXX

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Dave,     I cannot believe that you would find humor in so serious a dilemma. I'll bet that you either own or belong to a club that owns many acres.     I live in northcentral PA and there are simply darn few deer (perhaps so few as to not be able to replenish the herd.) On PUBLIC land. By the way, I am outdoor writer with a weekly column and many magazine credits. I have tried to remain neutral and out of the fray. I AM a member of USP but that is mostly to get their newsletter. I am however, convinced that PGC and DCNR have waged war against deer and deer hunters.     I pray to God that I never have to say to you, "I told you so."     The PGC has played the "divide and conquer" game quite well. Don't you think?

Try radical and unreasonable.

Pity Doc, the hunting world has become a breeding ground for the "unstableness" we see outside the sport.Hunting and fishing were once used as the buffer to the world around us.Isn't that why we go out into the woods,fields and water but to "escape" the pressures of the day.Makes me want to shut down the computer,TV and radio and take my dog Stephanie and make the hunt my biggest "ripple" to rock my world.The deer issues and lack of this and less of that has become tiresome.

Guess Doc I am getting older and not much into the fight anymore.Or I have lost sight of what all the fuss is all about.

Dave where does Melody place herself with this thinking? Does she not belong to the USP also?

Dave we got your back buddy on this one and great replies.

OOPS!!! I knew she was with one of the two just wasn't sure.
I really have got to get on this board more, work is killing me!!