That is a great picture on your homepage Doc.  Keep it up there for awhile!!!  Yee haw!!!  

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I don't know, Penn.  I have some pretty proud pictures of me with a M16...  

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Penn wrote : I found it offensive. Seriously - I don't like pics of people with assualt rifles period. dpms - to be truthful I don't like your avatar. I believe such things send a bad message that gun owners are wacky rednecks.

I hope you are kidding?

You find that offensive and you go goo goo and gaa gaa over the daily eye candy.

You are a gun owner and sportsman and you don't like pics of "assault rifles"?

And you care that someone thinks that we are rednecks because we own guns and are proud to own guns?

Like I said, I hope you are kidding.

Penn, I think I will change my avatar to this... Is this better?

Not!!

Doc,

It is gone already?  Bummer!!

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Penn wrote : dpms - Yes I am serious when it comes to assault rifles. Only the SWAT and military should be authorized them. Hunters can't use them in their sport and I can't imagine someone actually considering one as a home protection weapon. dpsm - in regards to your avatar what kind of impression do you think that gives to a non-hunter and even to an anti-gun person. In my personal opinion it looks like you worship your assault weapons and the helmeted creature does not bowed well as someone I would want to know who owns such guns.

Where do I start.  Disappointment that someone that says they are a sportsman, and wants to restrict our rights.  Those rights that are so vital to the sport we love.  Obviously you are ignorant to the battle that faces us.

Across this great country semi-automatic rifles and shotguns are being used in great numbers for legitimate sporting and target uses.  Ar-15's are the fastest growing sporting arm for hunting.  Just because they are not legal here for hunting does not mean that they are being used in great numbers from everything from elk hunting to prairie dogs.  In fact, AR-15's are becoming the weapon of choice for varmint and predator hunters.

Most AR-15 maufacturers have dedicated hunting rigs for sale that are more accurate than most bolt guns.

Home protection, what is wrong with that.  They have the caspability to attach lasers and flashlights so you wont shoot your neighbor that is knocking on your door.  They are compact and more accurate than pistols.  On and on.  Who are you to say that I should not have a "assault rifle" to protect my family.

Do you even know what was classified as an "assault rifle" under the Clinton ban?

My avatar only suggest that I do support our 2nd ammendmnet, I am a gun owner, I do not make excuses for owning the guns that I do and I am proud to educate others on our rights as gun owners and american citizens.

And finally, you are going to judge my character because I believe in our second ammendment and I feel that I should be allowed to own a AR-15 if I choose?  

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 I just wanted to post a pic of something to do with the ruling..

I found that pic with the girls and the assault weapons.... I guess I was in a hurry.. I did think twice about using it because of the assault weapons.. I wanted something with girls and handguns but could not find one quick enough...

I should have just went with the little guy fishing

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Penn wrote : dpms - You have your view and I have mine so why shouldn't we just agree to disagree and let it there.

We can agree to disagree but do not judge me or my character because I am proud to be a gun owner and strong supporter of our rights as our founding fathers envisioned.

You should educate yourself on what "assault rifles" are and how many sporting arms are lumped into that group. Because they are not legal for hunting here does not mean that thier use for hunting is not widespread elsewhere.

I see no use for any full automatic weapon except in a war type battle...

and Penn is completely correct about the M-16 on semi...

and again there is no need for a full automatic weapon in civilian hands..

BUT that said.... I have to agree we can not pick and choose what weapons are okay and which are not for the "civilian"... we can not start to outlaw some and allow some.. where do you draw the line...

dpms makes a GREAT point under some of the proposed gun laws, many weapons used for everyday hunting COULD become illegal...

there are thin lines and we must make sure we do not allow blanket type gun restrictions...

and when it comes to protecting my home I'll take a 12 gauge or a hand gun over any automatic weapon anyday....  can you imagine the bullets flying from an automatic inside your home with other family members in the house in the middle of the night after an intruder ?????????????

RIDICULOUS....  

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They have the caspability to attach lasers and flashlights so you wont shoot your neighbor that is knocking on your door.  They are compact and more accurate than pistols.

I would love to take you up on a challenge on that post.....

#1.. shooting the neighbor knocking on the door ????

you'd better make sure the victim is INSIDE you home... and you are in TRUE fear for your life before opening up.... and that laser is about useless on a moving target... that's coming intothe room

and if you start a spray heaven forbid the ruckess awaken a kid that comes into the room... or a bullet goes thru a wall into a bedroom .....

opening up with an AR-15 inside a home is a scary thought.. and I truly hope you would never consider doing that....

Yes Penn, GI Joe.

If you want a semi, more power to you. I have a couple of them and would not want to part with them because some liberal says they are a problem. I don't want to "HIDE" anything from any anti gun nut. When we start drawing lines, we will all lose!

dpms, I like you're avaitar.

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Penn wrote :  The bullet is too small to be accurate shot on semi and we were trained to use full auto and spray your bullets at an intended victim. You would never catch a sniper using an M-16.

You have alot to learn my friend about modern M-16 and/or AR-15's.  

First, while the .223 predominates sales, you can have a AR-15 in everything from a .22, .223, .204, .243, .260, .308, 300WSM, .450 bushmaster, .458 Socom etc....  Everthing from a squirrel gun to a elephant gun.

Second, modern M-16/AR-15's are just as accurate as most bolt guns and many will shoot under 1MOA.  And semi auto fire is the selection of choice now, not full auto in military versions.

Third, most manufacturers have multiple sniper rifles in thier lineups that are being used by todays brave men and women. As I have stated before, many are more accurate than our deer rifles. In fact, there is a competition going on right now among several maufacturers to supply the military with M-16 based sniper rifles.

Go to any of the companies websites and see what is out there now.  Dpms, bushmaster, armalite, rock river arms, olympic arms, vulcan, les bauer, wilson combat and many more.  

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Dr Trout wrote : and when it comes to protecting my home I'll take a 12 gauge or a hand gun over any automatic weapon anyday....  can you imagine the bullets flying from an automatic inside your home with other family members in the house in the middle of the night after an intruder ????????????? RIDICULOUS....

When you say automatic, you are referring to full auto?  If you are referring to semi auto assualt weapon as a home defense weapon, what is the difference between emptying my 16 rounds of 9mm from a handgun or 20 rounds from my AR-15?  

Neither in my opinion is a good idea.  Proper training for a home defense situation will go much farther than someone that is untrained spraying bullets from any firearm.

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Dr Trout wrote : I would love to take you up on a challenge on that post..... #1.. shooting the neighbor knocking on the door ???? you'd better make sure the victim is INSIDE you home... and you are in TRUE fear for your life before opening up.... and that laser is about useless on a moving target... that's coming intothe room and if you start a spray heaven forbid the ruckess awaken a kid that comes into the room... or a bullet goes thru a wall into a bedroom ..... opening up with an AR-15 inside a home is a scary thought.. and I truly hope you would never consider doing that....

Lets go!!

A intruder that knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is in trouble is an intruder that may flee before the unthinkable happens.

A well equiped AR-15 with someone who is trained to use it in a defensive situation is tough to beat.

Most are shorter overall than that shotgun you favor. While a laser in not intended for moving targets, having a red beam pointed on your chest and dancing about your head is surely a deterent.  Flashlights mounted on the gun provide the necessary light to be sure of your intended target.  And you have 20 rounds at your disposal in case the need is there(not spaying and praying).

Lets talk modern defensive bullets in the .223.  Those designed for home defense are highly frangible and penetrate less than many pistol rounds do.  They are designed to expand rapidly and fragment to have maximum impact on the would be assailent.

I believe in a situation were a homeowner has a gun for self defense and does not practice with it a pump shotgun is probably the best bet.  For those more familiar with firearms, there are much better choices if your life or that of your families is on the line.

You guys do know that an AR-15 is the civilian version of the M-16 and it is not full auto.  It is illegal to own full auto firearms unless you go through extensive background checks, get fingerprinted and spend lots of money.

I see alot of posters using the word "automatic".  We should clarify full versus semi automatic as the differnce is huge as it pertains to these discussions.

16 to 20 rounds fired.....

Nah... I'll take my 12 gauge one shot and the guy is not going to be still moving towards me... no need for more than one shot... period

Maybe if I chose the handgun I'd need to fire two shots to stop em... not 16-20 rounds

Some one coming into a home and rushing you is not going to be worried or concerned about any little red light bouncing around .. he'll be headed STAIGHT AT YA !!!...


OR....

and odds are if they see any gun they are going to turn and run.. and that automatically means you can not shoot.....

Ask the PGH Dentist ......